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Those who pollute go to Hell
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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2011-12-22 14:38:43 UTC
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I think I've earned enough credibility among atheists and theologians
to tackle this issue. Only those who ride a bicycle, go vegetarian or
do something for peace, will go to Heaven. We will have wide bike
paths up there while drivers will end up in Hell, which is no less
than a never-ending traffic jam. Bicyclists who strap their bikes to
the car will remain in Limbo, until they make up their mind.

And the picture wouldn't be complete without some angels who, of
course, ride bikes too...

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stephen
2011-12-22 15:32:17 UTC
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On Dec 22, 2:38 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I think I've earned enough credibility among atheists and theologians
to tackle this issue. Only those who ride a bicycle, go vegetarian or
do something for peace, will go to Heaven. We will have wide bike
paths up there while drivers will end up in Hell, which is no less
than a never-ending traffic jam. Bicyclists who strap their bikes to
the car will remain in Limbo, until they make up their mind.
And the picture wouldn't be complete without some angels who, of
course, ride bikes too...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-x6ouG394k2k/Tfy_A1VADlI/AAAAAAAAIKw/PCyVmIQ...
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everybody pullutes, some also purify, the secret is balance.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2011-12-22 18:39:17 UTC
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On Dec 22, 2:38 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I think I've earned enough credibility among atheists and theologians
to tackle this issue. Only those who ride a bicycle, go vegetarian or
do something for peace, will go to Heaven. We will have wide bike
paths up there while drivers will end up in Hell, which is no less
than a never-ending traffic jam. Bicyclists who strap their bikes to
the car will remain in Limbo, until they make up their mind.
And the picture wouldn't be complete without some angels who, of
course, ride bikes too...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-x6ouG394k2k/Tfy_A1VADlI/AAAAAAAAIKw/PCyVmIQ...
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everybody pullutes, some also purify, the secret is balance.
True. Another way to put it, "ALWAYS CHOOSE THE LEAST WASTEFUL WAY."

That raises many questions. For example, "DO I NEED THIS BIG TRUCK TO
GET GROCERIES?" This is particularly appropriate, "DO I NEED A CAR TO
GO TO CHURCH?"

Then you question if you really want to go outside your community, and
the choice of vehicle.

"BUY LOCALLY, BIKE LOCALLY" gets you straight to Heaven.

Your legs will let you know when you've gone too far. And my favorite
is that if you go to a restaurant, you burn it off.

Then we get into another idea that makes sense: "DON'T BURN OIL, BURN
THE CALORIES!"

And if you really want to be an angel, choose a vehicle like this...

http://www.prodecotech.com/prodeco_007.htm

"Made in America" not only means you are patriotic,* but that you are
saving shipping the vehicle across an ocean. Notice those are ELECTRIC
BIKES, so they offer the best of both worlds. And they are FOLDING so
you got no excuse about having no space, etc, etc.

Remember, God is rather INTOLERANT and accepts no excuses. ;)

*Only if you live in America or Canada. But you are still patriotic if
you are a member of NATO and you help to break away from the West's
addiction to oil.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2011-12-23 03:05:41 UTC
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On Dec 22, 7:52 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
I think I've earned enough credibility among atheists and theologians to
tackle this issue.
I think not.
Well, I think they probably agree that a Christian on a bike is better
than a Christian in an SUV.
Only those who ride a bicycle, go vegetarian or do something for peace,
will go to Heaven.
Nobody will go to Heaven. There is no Heaven.
The idea of a protective God will not go away because we wish it. But
the idea of a righteous people indifferent to the environment is
indefensible --unless they admit to worshiping the Devil, and that's a
major victory for the "free spirits" of this world.
I think "free spirits" would include the Indians who believed in a
harmony with Nature, not those who follow the command to "conquer and
multiply." The problem is that that command brings with it POLLUTION
and other side effects such as the RAT RACE. I think few people here
are fighting the idea of a "Great Spirit" --or Gaia-- who's protecting
the environment. At least I'm not.
I wish to invoke here all the gods and goddesses, animals and spirits
that the hunter-gatherers saw while smoking weed, so the Christian-
Jewish god, that male chauvinistic god, is laid to rest.

We may use the beat of African drums or the soaring vibration of the
didgeridoo...



Is that why the Christians want pot banned? That PROHIBITION makes
less sense than god, and CRIME & VIOLENCE are part of another real
crisis we face for which they got no solution.

Bob Marley inspired that energy we need in a sad world. This music
also has the energy...

"I think the fact that people from all over the world can feel the
same vibes and energy listening to what somebody created in totally
different cultures thousands years ago may mean that we all share the
same human element. Makes me happier cos I know we are also just
animals (Libya). Peace to the human element in you."


Martin Edwards
2011-12-23 11:17:14 UTC
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On 22/12/2011 14:38, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I think I've earned enough credibility among atheists and theologians
to tackle this issue. Only those who ride a bicycle, go vegetarian or
do something for peace, will go to Heaven. We will have wide bike
paths up there while drivers will end up in Hell, which is no less
than a never-ending traffic jam. Bicyclists who strap their bikes to
the car will remain in Limbo, until they make up their mind.
Actually it is in England. It is called the M25, the ring road roughly
round Greater London, though it includes areas that are not in London.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2011-12-23 13:51:31 UTC
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Post by Martin Edwards
On 22/12/2011 14:38, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
I think I've earned enough credibility among atheists and theologians
to tackle this issue. Only those who ride a bicycle, go vegetarian or
do something for peace, will go to Heaven. We will have wide bike
paths up there while drivers will end up in Hell, which is no less
than a never-ending traffic jam. Bicyclists who strap their bikes to
the car will remain in Limbo, until they make up their mind.
Actually it is in England.  It is called the M25, the ring road roughly
round Greater London, though it includes areas that are not in London.
At least London is trying not to be too hellish by throwing in a bike
program AND taxing cars going into the city center.

I like cities that are making a sincere effort to come out of the rat
race, but mine isn't one.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2011-12-31 16:15:44 UTC
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 10:25:22 -0800 (PST), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 05:56:50 -0800 (PST), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:01:59 -0800 (PST), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
But if you are reluctant about new technologies, how about good old
fashioned PEDAL POWER? Isn't eating apple pie the best way to to power
yourself?
Lessee. 37 miles one way to the office (can't change that, it's not
my choice - although I AM looking for another office). Five stents in
my heart. Two heart attacks in the past.
Wait, wait, IF I WERE GOD, you wouldn't get off the hook. While you
may need to drive to your office, I'm sure you could ride a bike
somewhere such as to the market or any other errand around your
community.
Maybe, but I'd probably have a heart attack trying. Riding a bike to
the corner would be doubtful.
No, you don't. Riding a bike is recommended by most doctors. Just take
it easy. Don't run out of breath
I do that getting up from a chair.
Yeah, a COUCH CYCLIST, huh?

That energy is better put to work by riding to the market, though, and
you meet people along the way.

Oh well, couch cyclists are better than couch potatoes.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2012-01-01 20:36:08 UTC
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 07:23:02 -0800 (PST), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:30:34 -0800 (PST), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:14:10 -0800 (PST), "TibetanMonkey, the Beach
On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 00:10:29 -0600, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:38:32 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
It's great medicine. When I started biking years ago,
my resting heart rate went from 80 to 50 bpm in less
than two months. My blood pressure went from
120 / 85 to 110 / 65.
That's my BP now. I don't have a pressure problem, I have an
oxygenation problem. I've passed out a few times already from anoxia
when I was sitting.
That's because you are a pop athiest.
You're right, Zachy. Modern medicine doesn't have a clue.
It ain't so much that they don't have a clue, just that they give a
shit about your health.
Which is why I have a team of doctors who DO give a shit about my
health. I go for regular checkups, healthy or sick, and other than a
cardiac cath about 18 months ago, it's in, hello and out. (Haven't
even seen my rheumatologist in almost 2 years - just call his office
for a refill when I have a gout attack, which keeps getting less
frequent.)
--
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have
such funny beliefs." - unknown
Tell them the TibetanMonkey told you to reawaken the hunter-gatherer
in you. It means the human species is meant to be on the move all the
time.
It's also supposed to live about 35 years.
I've seen other sources that question that. But we me ascribe many of
those early deaths to POOR TEETH
We evolved the teeth we needed for the diet we had. (Robustus had
huge teeth with thick enamel, and thrived on vegetation. Our
ancestors ate cooked meat, so we didn't need to grow those huge teeth,
the muscles to drive them or the skull to support the muscles. Lucky
for us, since that allowed our brains to get 3 times as large as they
had been.)
Hey, while we don't need to chew roots any more, our modern teeth --
even dentures-- can still handle brown rice and whole wheat bread,
which provide the fiber we need. Our bland diet is totally wrong
knowing our origins. My point is that we don't know where we stand
unless we know where we came from.
and IGNORANCE (ignorance about DIET
We evolved to thrive on the diet we had. Those who couldn't weren't
our ancestors.
Yes, but we are not prepared by evolution to eat all this junk food
and then sit on our ass!
This is a law of nature we often ignore in the modern world: USE IT OR
LOSE IT!
The law actually is "use it and you'll still lose it." No one lives
forever. If you live long enough SOMETHING will kill you. (You're
talking as if I'm 35 or something.)
I'm talking about stuff we lost along the way, such as the tail. I'm
also implying that the lack of walking/riding a bike can make us lose
our health.

Maybe we are evolving into a ball. ;)
"When I say hunter gatherers, you think nasty, brutish and short, and
that's a misconception that's kept us in an exhausting race we can't
win for 10,000 years.
They're actually generally well fed, have more time off, and better
sex lives than most of us protestant work ethic fools."
You're preaching to the choir. The San spend about 4 hours/day
earning a living. That's a 28 hour work week.
Hey, the hunter-gatherers could only dream of the bicycle
Why would they need one? They can get anywhere they need to get on
foot, and they get all the exercise they need.
Wait, the American Indians were quick to adapt the horses to their
hunting-gathering. The bike is only a "mechanical horse," so to speak.
It multiplies your ability to go places over walking. American cities
are not made for walking, and many even lack sidewalks!
And the elderly sit around, advising the younger members of the group,
and get fed and cared for. (I'm not saying that I'm 50 and have
decided to let my body go to pot - when I was 50 I was always active,
and I was healthy. Even when I was 60 I was pretty active.)
Well, you got to keep struggling to keep your body AND mind. Many
people become dumb as they age, perhaps the product of a dumb society
and cunning politicians that cater to that segment of the population.
I'm referring to our elderly taking unwise decisions such as IGNORING
CLIMATE CHANGE while voting for petty issues.

It's funny they don't vote for EUTHANASIA. Isn't dying part of life?
Well, the point is that WE SHOULD LIVE OUR LIVES FULLY AND THEN BE
READY TO TAKE THE PLUNGE, something clearly denied by the Christians.

Is an enlightened society such as Holland our last hope?
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2012-01-02 15:46:52 UTC
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This may sound like preaching, but it's the reality of life in the
jungle. SHOPPING is very similar to HUNTING GATHERING, only that you
are hunting for bargains or for something that catches your monkey
attention. There many temptations out there to grab your monkey
attention, some of them making you believe that you are the hunter
while you are the hunted. Or perhaps it's a combination of the two.
The point is that the outing itself is worth the effort to ride a
bike. It can be hard effort or gentle effort, it can even be no effort
if you fancy an electric bike. It certainly is no struggle unless you
are one of those stupid monkeys with shopping bags hanging from the
handlebars. Remember, STUPIDITY IS NOT REWARDED IN THE JUNGLE. Set up
yourself nicely with racks, panniers, helmet, lights and everything
you may need in your hunting-gathering adventure. Get peanuts, popcorn
and don't forget water! Make it pleasant even if you indulge in your
favorite chocolate cookies. Hey, DON'T WORRY, you are burning calories
in those adventures! I love the word adventure, only that dodging cars
is an unfair survival game that we don't need. We only got one life,
you know. This is not the real thing where you must face the saber
tooth tiger.

Well, you know, carry a banana for the tiger! (plastic may work)

THIS IS A WONDERFUL DESCRIPTION OF CYCLING FOR THE HELL OF IT:

Energy is important, but living life fully is even more important

There is something more subtle in favor of bicycling than just the
energy equation. While riding the bike, I slow down, get to know my
surroundings, and feel like I’m part of the community, rather than
feeling isolated from it. Many of us have been discovering the value
of “relocalizing” - getting in touch with our neighborhoods and
communities to support one another during these crazy times. But
that’s hard to do when zipping around in a big metal box. If I see a
friend while biking, it is easy to stop and have a chat. I can smell
the unique smells (it is springtime here in North Carolina) and hear
the unique sounds of each part of my community. When there’s an event
going on at one of the local gathering spots, I can hear the music and
feel the energy of the crowd. I often stop and help box turtles across
the road (not so easy to do in a car) and watch them as they wander
off into the bushes. And all the while, I am getting consistent,
moderate exercise.

When it rains, I get to feel that too. I used to mind that part, but
one day after watching my young daughters run outside to play in a
rainstorm - totally unfazed - I realized that my distaste for the rain
was a learned thing, something I could unlearn. So I did. But more
importantly, biking daily has taught me to pay attention to my
surroundings. (Although I still don’t ride in thunderstorms, as I have
an aversion to anything over about 100 volts or so.) Cars have taught
us to ignore our surroundings and just go on our way, unaware of
whatever conditions may exist in the world around us. It’s like the
time when I was much younger, when I tried to drive a car across
Nebraska in a historic snowstorm and ended up stuck in a 3-foot snow
drift in the middle of I-80 (which was closed for 2 days). I would
never have attempted that on a bike. I would have stopped and waited
until the weather was better. The "old me" was impatient to get where
I was going fast, and, as a result, I missed the joy that could be had
along the way. The "new me" has rediscovered the simple joy of getting
there, with all its twists and turns.

I believe this is a parable for all of modern society. We have become
so accustomed to our modern conveniences that we are led to a
depressive sort of "doomer" mentality, thinking that some of them
might be taken away by the likes of Peak Oil and Peak Money. Many
people seem to lack imagination regarding how they would get by
without their metal boxes to zip around in, their air conditioned
houses to live in, and their always-on Internet connection. If my
experience with bike riding is any hint, we’ll get by just fine.

http://www.chrismartenson.com/quiet-revolution-bicycles-recapturing-role-utilitarian-people-movers-part-i
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2012-01-03 02:40:58 UTC
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 08:56:46 -0800 (PST), Father Haskell
That's called being hooked, and it's a big reason why
bike lanes are a disaster. Obeying traffic laws works
better, and doesn't require a multi-million dollar upgrade
of the road system.
Ours were cheap. When they repainted the lines, they painted a bike
lane line with periodic icons. Probably cost $100/mile extra or less.
(Only about 20 miles, but with a huge hill on one path that should be
enough for almost anyone. Even trucks have a problem on that one.)
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All answers questioned here.
I hate bike facilities because they "forget" to connect them, so they
appear and disappear out of the blue.

We are better off taking the lane or just stay in the cage or drive a
cage.

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