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Are bike facilities bad for cyclists?
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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2011-07-09 15:53:33 UTC
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Red Routes in San Diego County
Many streets and highways in San Diego County have bike lanes. There
are also a number of bike paths, which are paved roadways reserved for
non-motorized travel. "red routes",.http://geartopp.blogspot.com/
As you get acquainted with the bicycle groups you'll quickly learned
bike facilities are actually bad for cyclists.

It's something counter intuitive but they cite something about
"ghettos."


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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2011-07-09 19:15:23 UTC
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Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Red Routes in San Diego County
Many streets and highways in San Diego County have bike lanes. There
are also a number of bike paths, which are paved roadways reserved for
non-motorized travel. "red routes",.http://geartopp.blogspot.com/
As you get acquainted with the bicycle groups you'll quickly learned
bike facilities are actually bad for cyclists.
It's something counter intuitive but they cite something about
"ghettos."
How so? I've limited experience with bike facilities but what I have has
been positive.
They claim every form of "segregation" is bad for people. There's a
group dedicated to fight all kinds of bike lanes, bike paths or any
other solution other than the status quo. I understand the cyclist
should not be mandated to be on the bike lane, but mundane cyclists
need some kind of space of their own.

My campaign is now centered around 'LIVING SPACE' rather than bike
lanes and that means you should not not share a traffic lane with
traffic. Either bike lanes or mandating cars to exit the traffic lane
when passing a bike are equally possible. JUST TAKE THE LANE when no
space is provided.

I just went digging for information from the Land of the Sleeping
Dragon:

RIDING A BIKE IN CHINA

I always say that we must learn from each other, and China has a thing
or two to teach us --both good and bad. They invented the gunpowder
and we in the West took it to make deadly weapons. It was meant to be
firecrackers like those in the 4th of July!

Anyway, they also invented the proletarian bike --the Flying Pigeon--
which moved China until the wave of capitalism arrived with the car
and the traffic jam. Where's the Chinese wisdom? We are about to find
out:

How to ride your bike in China…

Well the best way is to push off into the traffic, without looking and
let everyone get out of your way. This is the way most people ride
here. If that does not sound like a good plan, then you can try the
modified plan wherein you push off into traffic and try to keep a look
out in all directions for the impending doom of another vehicle or
pedestrian heading towards you. These are the two approved methods of
bike riding in China. There is no other way. You cannot wait for the
traffic to clear. You might have to wait until midnight. You can’t
wait for someone to yield to you. You will have to wait until hell
freezes over. You just have to forget everything you have ever learned
about how to behave in traffic and set off, hoping for the best. And
it actually does seem to work. People are coming at you from all
directions and at all speeds and most of the time they do not collide.
It is a miracle. Of course, you can’t usually go more than a block or
two without seeing someone exchanging words after a collision or near
miss. Today as I was riding home, a motorcycle pulled right into the
middle of the bike lane and stopped! I guess he was waiting for me to
hit him and that is exactly what I did because although I squeezed my
brakes as hard as I could, it was impossible to stop in time. He just
smiled at me and motioned for me to go ahead. I didn’t say anything to
him because in China there is no road rage. I mean none at all. If
someone cuts you off, you might give him or her a dirty look, but you
never start yelling at him or her and giving him or her a hard time.

If you want to make it, you must force your way, always exercising a
sort of 6th sense about when it is better to give in and when it is
okay to make your move. One strategy is to never look the car drivers
in the eyes. When they know you have seen them, they will never give
you the right of way. If you pretend not to see them, they will
hesitate for a second and you can make your move. But don’t try this
with a huge bus or truck!

There must be some Good News

Now…you may think that I don’t much care for bicycle riding in China,
but actually the opposite is true. It is a great way to get around. I
ride about 15 minutes to my school and I always feel invigorated when
I arrive. It is hard to find an overweight Chinese and part of this
must be due to all of the bicycle riding. The bicycle is a sort of
social instrument for the Chinese. They enjoy riding together and
talking, delightfully unaware of the other riders of course! Children
are free bikes to go anywhere with their bikes.

http://cms.westport.k12.ct.us/cmslmc/mystuff/China/letterstoamerica/bicyclinginchina.htm

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No road rage, you must be kidding. I was viciously attacked for giving
the finger to a driver blasting the horn at me over a stupid
ordinance. When are the Chinese learning the value of revenge? They
seem to be learning. One Chinese driver recently killed a peasant on a
bike after a minor incident. He stabbed her, I think. Otherwise they
seem pretty casual about respecting bike lanes or sidewalks. No
obesity is a good thing. I think this is the worst plague of the West.

I still think the European have the sane approach to bicycling and
traffic in general. They are our last hope.

ACTUALLY OUR LAST HOPE IS THE REVOLUTION.

"REVOLUTIONS FOR THE PLANET" (motto of Taiwanese bike manufacturer
'Sun')
Miles Bader
2011-07-10 05:12:12 UTC
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"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
"REVOLUTIONS FOR THE PLANET"
(motto of Taiwanese bike manufacturer 'Sun')
Wow, it actually is!

-miles
--
Optimist, n. A proponent of the doctrine that black is white.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2011-07-10 14:11:09 UTC
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Post by Miles Bader
"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
"REVOLUTIONS FOR THE PLANET"
(motto of Taiwanese bike manufacturer 'Sun')
Wow, it actually is!
I own one. One of my cheapest and best. It's the beach cruiser in root
beer color. Great seat, great comfort. In the Electra Amsterdam I had
to change the handlebar and seat for it to become regal.

The point is that every time you ride a bike you are being part of the
solution. The more the better. I don't know about bicycling in Taiwan
but they are big in scooters, another vehicle that can be part of the
solution.
Post by Miles Bader
Perhttp://cms.westport.k12.ct.us/cmslmc/mystuff/China/letterstoamerica/b...
Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
One strategy is to never look the car drivers
in the eyes. When they know you have seen them, they will never give
you the right of way.
Funny contrast there. When I was in Puerto Rico it was just the
opposite. Once you established eye contact for a lane change for
merge you were home free.
OTOH, I got the impression that other drivers were made somewhat
uneasy by my turn signals - as in "What the heck is that
*blinking*...?"
--
PeteCresswell
People acquire funny traits when the masters --the authorities-- don't
care one way or the other. It takes wise laws and enforcement for the
good things to happen. A good wise law is to blame the driver first
unless proven otherwise.

China and Japan have a half-ass solution. They have masses of people
riding bikes but no thought have been giving to their safety or that
of pedestrians. In Japan cyclists ride on sidewalk.
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2011-07-11 13:59:27 UTC
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[...]
Have you ever read ANY Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn ?
Why yes. Nothing in the three volumes of the Gulag Archipelago
contradicts what I wrote. One of the themes of Cancer Ward involves a
former political prisoner (who was denounced during the era of the purges
by the cancer patient main character) who was released from the camps
(along with most other inmates) by Khrushchev.
In fact, Mr. Solzhenitsyn would likely have died in a labor camp if it had
not been for the Russians (Khrushchev and Zukov) eliminating the remaining
allies of the Ashkenazi banking elite from the Soviet politburo, and
rehabilitating the political prisoners, including himself. Notice that
Brezhnev (a Russian) merely expelled Solzhenitsyn for actions that Lenin
(half Ashkenazi himself) would have had him locked in prison or executed.
The fate of the Romanov's was sealed when they refused to give in to the
demands of the international banking cabal (unlike say, Woodrow Wilson or
Lloyd George). US citizens have been paying ever since for the
undemocratic and often anti-US policies of the Federal Reserve System that
looks to the interests of the international financial elite, and not US
citizens.
It doesn't matter what Tom Sherman reads or doesn't read. He filters
everything through his liberal-socialist-communist ideology. Because of
that, his credibility is zero and it is a waste of time and effort to
dispute any of his selected facts and figures.
A failed ideologue will often resort to crackpot conspiracy theories to
explain why the world does not accord more fully with his views. I can spot
a crackpot from a mile away. Mr. Tom Sherman is not all that different from
TM, the main difference being the arrogance of the former. At least TM has a
good nature.
Tom Sherman only pretends to be rational. He is a raging beast at heart who
would murder anyone who thinks differently from him. He thinks if he had
absolute power he would be different from his predecessors (Hitler, Stalin,
Mao, Pol Pot), but he would be the same. However, what is highly likely is
that he would be eliminated by the thugs that normally follow up on
revolutions made in the name of the working class. Thugs hate intellectuals
whether they be real or just pretend intellectuals.
Ask yourself a question. Assume you are going to be ruled by a single
individual who has absolute power, who would you rather be ruled by ...
Donald Trump or Jimmy Hoffa? Which ideology as represented by these two men
would you rather be ruled by? The question answers itself. It is far better
to be ruled by an oriental despot than a dictatorship of the proletariat.
The communists are basically right in the "class struggle" stuff...
only that they do NOT have the solution.

Our lower place in the food chain is due to the prole status of the
bike.

WE GOT NOTHING TO LOSE BUT OUR CHAINS!

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