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And the trains ran on time under Mussolini
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His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-04-08 17:03:58 UTC
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On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.

"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.

Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.


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His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-04-09 18:16:59 UTC
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Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right?
Subsidies are often used by a populist to ingratiate himself with the
people.
"Bread and games".
(snip)
Right. Say an American president were to propose a tax on gas to
balance the budget. It would provoke a revolution or at least it would
cost him the elections.
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
So true.
There is hope.
It's already out there: It goes by the name of Arepa Revolution.
There's no leader per se, just a program:

http://webspawner.com/users/DONQUIJOTE1
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2013-04-09 22:48:37 UTC
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Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.

At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
Martin Edwards
2013-04-11 10:18:19 UTC
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On 09/04/2013 23:48, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
On Apr 8, 12:55 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
It is one of life's great ironies that we British taught the Germans
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
2013-04-14 19:45:31 UTC
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Post by Martin Edwards
On 09/04/2013 23:48, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
On Apr 8, 12:55 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
It is one of life's great ironies that we British taught the Germans
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally.  History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember.  -Albert Goldman
I think the Germans took democracy seriously after their affair with
tyranny while the British watched too many American movies.
Martin Edwards
2013-04-15 10:08:19 UTC
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On 14/04/2013 20:45, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Post by Martin Edwards
On 09/04/2013 23:48, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
On Apr 8, 12:55 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
It is one of life's great ironies that we British taught the Germans
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
I think the Germans took democracy seriously after their affair with
tyranny while the British watched too many American movies.
Dead right. Husbands and wives even call each other "darling" now. Sheesh!
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2013-04-18 14:28:58 UTC
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On 14/04/2013 20:45, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Post by Martin Edwards
On 09/04/2013 23:48, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
On Apr 8, 12:55 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
It is one of life's great ironies that we British taught the Germans
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally.  History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember.  -Albert Goldman
I think the Germans took democracy seriously after their affair with
tyranny while the British watched too many American movies.
Dead right.  Husbands and wives even call each other "darling" now.  Sheesh!
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally.  History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember.  -Albert Goldman
And the "British accent" is almost gone. You can hear an American
slang behind the cultivated cockney accent.

Hollywood is behind everything.
Martin Edwards
2013-04-19 06:38:58 UTC
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Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Post by Martin Edwards
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On Apr 8, 12:55 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
It is one of life's great ironies that we British taught the Germans
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
I think the Germans took democracy seriously after their affair with
tyranny while the British watched too many American movies.
Dead right. Husbands and wives even call each other "darling" now. Sheesh!
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
And the "British accent" is almost gone. You can hear an American
slang behind the cultivated cockney accent.
Hollywood is behind everything.
In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
part just outside the City of London to the East. I come from a town
roughly analogous to Yonkers, and when I went to University I was
shocked when northerners called me a cockney.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
2013-04-19 14:52:44 UTC
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Post by Martin Edwards
On 18/04/2013 15:28, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Post by Martin Edwards
On 14/04/2013 20:45, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Post by Martin Edwards
On 09/04/2013 23:48, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
On Apr 8, 12:55 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
It is one of life's great ironies that we British taught the Germans
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally.  History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember.  -Albert Goldman
I think the Germans took democracy seriously after their affair with
tyranny while the British watched too many American movies.
Dead right.  Husbands and wives even call each other "darling" now.  Sheesh!
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally.  History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember.  -Albert Goldman
And the "British accent" is almost gone. You can hear an American
slang behind the cultivated cockney accent.
Hollywood is behind everything.
In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct.  This is not widely
understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
part just outside the City of London to the East.  I come from a town
roughly analogous to Yonkers, and when I went to University I was
shocked when northerners called me a cockney.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally.  History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember.  -Albert Goldman
I tried it for the humorous effect but got some information worth the
effort. American English by contrast is amazingly uniform, including
Canadians.

This is an attempt at Australian English:


Martin Edwards
2013-04-21 06:32:54 UTC
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Post by Martin Edwards
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Post by His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
Post by Martin Edwards
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Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Post by Martin Edwards
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On Apr 8, 12:55 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than being elected.
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties, and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority. The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late 1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations (including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned "caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex, gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
It is one of life's great ironies that we British taught the Germans
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
I think the Germans took democracy seriously after their affair with
tyranny while the British watched too many American movies.
Dead right. Husbands and wives even call each other "darling" now. Sheesh!
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
And the "British accent" is almost gone. You can hear an American
slang behind the cultivated cockney accent.
Hollywood is behind everything.
In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
part just outside the City of London to the East. I come from a town
roughly analogous to Yonkers, and when I went to University I was
shocked when northerners called me a cockney.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
I tried it for the humorous effect but got some information worth the
effort. American English by contrast is amazingly uniform, including
Canadians.
http://youtu.be/qJkO-EKRVd0
If it is still rerun in America, the original "Till Death Us Do Part" is
a pretty good rendition. The characters in EastEnders do not speak
cockney, for example, but North London. I have that accent myself,
though technically I am not from London.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
Roland Perry
2013-04-21 07:04:32 UTC
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The characters in EastEnders do not speak cockney, for example, but
North London.
Appropriate, given that it's filmed near Watford.
--
Roland Perry
Martin Edwards
2013-04-22 10:12:29 UTC
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The characters in EastEnders do not speak cockney, for example, but
North London.
Appropriate, given that it's filmed near Watford.
Indeed. I am from Watford. When I taught I used, if it came up, to
explain where Elstree was, the fact that the camera homed in on North
Woolwich, and how far apart they were.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
h***@yahoo.co.uk
2013-04-19 19:28:18 UTC
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Post by Martin Edwards
On 18/04/2013 15:28, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
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Post by Martin Edwards
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Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
Post by Martin Edwards
On 09/04/2013 23:48, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
On Apr 8, 12:55 pm, "His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
Post by His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher
On 4/8/2013 6:35 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:23 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/8/2013 6:04 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
On 4/7/2013 4:39 PM, His Highness the Wise TibetanMonkey,
Most Humble
On 4/6/2013 9:24 PM, His Highness the Wise
TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when
a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate
democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but
it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the
election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote
for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will
regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to
him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than
being elected.
Well, a sort of pattern is revealing itself, and there's
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
On Apr 6, 9:49 pm, Marcus Aurelius
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally
protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was
one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a
democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a
tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while
discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties,
and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority.
The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late
1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations
(including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to
democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned
"caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex,
gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle
stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and
competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real
shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a
functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
It is one of life's great ironies that we British taught the Germans
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
I think the Germans took democracy seriously after their affair with
tyranny while the British watched too many American movies.
Dead right. Husbands and wives even call each other "darling" now.
Sheesh!
--
Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
And the "British accent" is almost gone. You can hear an American
slang behind the cultivated cockney accent.
Hollywood is behind everything.
In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
part just outside the City of London to the East.
Within the sound of the Bow bells.
Huge
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In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
part just outside the City of London to the East.
Within the sound of the Bow bells.
I wonder if their fucking delete keys work?
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His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
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In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct.  This is not widely
understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
part just outside the City of London to the East.
Within the sound of the Bow bells.
I wonder if their fucking delete keys work?
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           "Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine"
The keyboards ask you if you want American English...

Why? Deep question. ;)

Surely it must be the pound sign.
Martin Edwards
2013-04-21 06:34:20 UTC
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In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
part just outside the City of London to the East.
Within the sound of the Bow bells.
I wonder if their fucking delete keys work?
Fucked if I know.
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painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
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TibetanMonkey, Most Humble
It proves people can be manipulated and misguided when
a democracy fails.
it shows how populist authoritarians can manipulate
democracy. It shows
the lack of strength in Venezuelan civil society.
Someone is also manipulating democracy in America, but
it's NOT a
single person.
Nor is in in Venezuela.
Chavez had lots of people working for him including Cubans.
Raul Castro sent Maduro an extra 2000 Cubans for the
election.
The minute someone casts a vote and ignores corruption
and quality of life everything goes wrong. They vote
for their narrow
interests, not the good of society.
Has happened in the past. Is happening now and will
regretfully happen
in the future.
Education and the strengthening of civil society are key.
In Europe a guy like Maduro that claims Chavez speaks to
him in
apparitions would end up in a loony-bin rather than
being elected.
Well, a sort of pattern is revealing itself, and there's
control.
Indeed: too much control results in a failing democracy.
On Apr 6, 9:49 pm, Marcus Aurelius
Aristotle, the ancient Greek philosopher, stated in his
book
"Politics" that a republic based upon Constitutionally
protected equal
rights and equal responsibilities for all citizens was
one of the best
forms of government. On the other hand, he stated that a
democratic
nation without these Constitutionally guarranteed
republican
guaranties was one of the worst forms of government, a
tyranny of the
majority that granted itself privileges while
discriminating against
electoral majorities which have fewer rights, liberties,
and more
responsibilities than the powerful electoral majority.
The USA changed
from a republican form of government to a democratic
form of
government during the revolutionary period of the late
1960's and
early 1970's. India, Canada, and other nations
(including the USA)
have evolved from republican forms of government to
democratic forms
of government with the resulting politically sanctioned
"caste"
systems which give more rights, more freedoms, and fewer
responsibilities to identity groups based upon sex,
gender, race, and
national origin. The same represents, as Aristotle
stated, merely a
tyranny of the majority under a political spoils system.
I see "democracy" as a handy tool for the elites.
Stalin-ism is a much better tool for elites. See Cuba.
It's better for one small elite but not better for elites
at large.
You may say in democracy elites are diversified and
competitive. And
yet they all hang on to the concept of elections. It's like
taking
turns at power while the little guy remains insignificant.
Those asking for democracy in Cuba want a piece of the pie
as well,
see what I mean? It's all about the piece of the pie.
those asking for democracy anywhere want all to have a real
shot at the
piece of the pie.
The question is how big is the piece of the rich and the poor.
if the pie is big enough and democracy works there is enough for all.
Imbalances have always existed and will always exist.
Democracies are not very functional where the poor live in filth and
fear while the rich live in gated communities.
True.
democracy function best with an educated public in a
functioning civil
society with adequate living conditions for all.
Well, I say whoever delivers the goods is the winner. Singapore is not
democratic and yet...
Well, there's no chewing gum and filth everywhere.
Hitler "delivered" highways.
trains ran on time in Mussolini's fascist Italy.
Both the Germans and Italian people lost a lot.
True, and in America the trains run on time but are slow. There's not
even bullet trains, just highways and more highways. You are a
consumer and you can cast your vote two ways, which amounts to more of
the same.
"Cheap gas" as in Venezuela, right? Not quite as cheap but much
cheaper than the rest of the civilized world, which in turn funds
alternative transportation.
Germany now works excellent under democracy so there's hope it may be
applicable elsewhere.
There are many, many parallels between Venezuela and America besides
being democracies. It is said that Venezuela imported everything
before Chavez --now scarcity is the norm-- and America has grown
dependent on China for everything. Germany alone exports more than
America --with 1/4 the population-- while unions remain strong. Now
there are not many unions in America and the "Made in America" tag has
disappeared together with it.
At the same time a small sector of the population controls the wealth
and lives in isolation from reality. In other words, Venezuela has
become more like Cuba and America more like Venezuela...
It is one of life's great ironies that we British taught the Germans
democracy and then forgot about it ourselves.
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Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
I think the Germans took democracy seriously after their affair with
tyranny while the British watched too many American movies.
Dead right. Husbands and wives even call each other "darling" now.
Sheesh!
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Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
And the "British accent" is almost gone. You can hear an American
slang behind the cultivated cockney accent.
Hollywood is behind everything.
In fact the cockney accent is all but extinct. This is not widely
understood even in England, but it only came from a small part of
London, the East End, no longer the East end of the conurbation, but the
part just outside the City of London to the East.
Within the sound of the Bow bells.
St Mary le Bow in the City, not the district of Bow, which is further East.
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Myth, after all, is what we believe naturally. History is what we must
painfully learn and struggle to remember. -Albert Goldman
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